Nelson and Winnie Mandela

This name Mandela is an albatross around the necks of my family. You all must realise that Mandela was not the only man who suffered. There were many others, hundreds who languished in prison and died. Many unsung and unknown heroes of the struggle, and there were others in the leadership too, like poor Steve Biko, who died of the beatings, horribly all alone. Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young revolutionary. But look what came out.

Nelson let us down. He agreed to a bad deal for the blacks. Economically, we are still on the outside. The economy is very much ‘white’. It has a few token blacks, but so many who gave their life in the struggle have died unrewarded.

I cannot forgive him for going to receive the Nobel [Peace Prize in 1993] with his jailer [FW] de Klerk. Hand in hand they went. Do you think de Klerk released him from the goodness of his heart? He had to. The times dictated it, the world had changed, and our struggle was not a flash in the pan, it was bloody to say the least and we had given rivers of blood. I had kept it alive with every means at my disposal.

Look at this Truth and Reconciliation charade. He should never have agreed to it. What good does the truth do? How does it help anyone to know where and how their loved ones were killed or buried? That Bishop Tutu who turned it all into a religious circus came here.

He had the cheek to tell me to appear. I told him a few home truths. I told him that he and his other like-minded cretins were only sitting here because of our struggle and ME. Because of the things I and people like me had done to get freedom.

The people of Soweto are still with me. Look what they make him do. The great Mandela. He has no control or say any more. They put that huge statue of him right in the middle of the most affluent “white” area of Johannesburg. Not here where we spilled our blood and where it all started. Mandela is now a corporate foundation. He is wheeled out globally to collect the money and he is content doing that. The ANC have effectively sidelined him but they keep him as a figurehead for the sake of appearance. [Winnie Mandela talks to The Evening Standard]

I have the upmost respect for Nelson Mandela but I hear you Winnie!

Your thoughts please….

33 replies »

  1. I’ve alway wondered why she was sidelined and trashed. She
    Knows something we don’t.

  2. Winnie knew that they still had a long struggle ahead of them. She wasn’t about to pretend that everything was okay just because her husband had been released.

    Winnie wasn’t about to forgive and forget just like that. Too much blood had been shed. Too many lives had been lost because of that evil regime.

    Nelson on the otherhand had different ideas….

  3. The things they said about her to discredit her were unbelievable. Then the separation. I bet it was 4 political reasons. I would like 2 hear her version. She is
    An unsung hero in her rights and they r not in a hurry 2 credit her.

  4. Winnie – “Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young revolutionary. But look what came out.”

    Big fan of Winnie and her don’t f–k with me spirit but, 27 LONNNNG YEARS ON LOCK DOWN,….. 27 years that’s all I’m saying. How can the same man that went in come out.

  5. Thats exactly what I was thinking Agnes, them years, took the fight out of him, he didn’t wanna wage war, continue to fight, he wanted to make peace, thats all. imo

    But Winnie is interesting, and I do hear what she is saying to, it’s a sticky one.

  6. @fr… on the fence as usual! dont it hurt after so long lol
    Come on!!! Winnie or Nelson?

  7. I hear Winnie, I read the whole interview in the standard and I agree with her. Having said that i do see what Agnes said… that was 27 LLLLLLOOONG years! Gosh!

  8. Mandela was old when he came out. He was isolated and out of action or away from the scene of crime. What was there to keep the fire in his belly?

    I hear Winnie too. The generation that suffered apertheid are still living and some people expect black south africans to get over it and work together hand in hand with 100% trust of their white counterparts? Blaming them for voting a corrupt government and so on? Really?? Even in 50 years time the trust will have increased by a small margin, they will heal in their own time.

  9. age has the gift of wisdom and respect, he still had a voice, respect and many ears awaiting for words of hope and instruction, but ended up kissing the hand of the enemy that raped him in front of his wife who shared his belief and fight. Winnie has a clear picture, she was his wife at the end of the day. If she felt her former husband could’ve done things differently then he could’ve, who am I to disagree. Her side makes perfect sense and I really hope she writes a book on this.

  10. @ Real NV, … I like the fence, U can see both sides lol ahahahahah but my bottom is hurting a little umm…

  11. It is a sad state of affairs. May be he realised that no amount of money or power was ever going to heal or mend them. They are still disadvantaged and emotionally wounded. They were literally subjected to mental slavery and denied proper education. There’s only so much Mandela could do and change over night.

  12. …so I have to jump down for a hot minute,… I’mma go with Nelson, simply because 27 years is toooo long, until we have walked in that mans shoes, and until Winnie HERself has walked in HIS shoes, not beside his, IN HIS, she will not fully understand. (I will give the inch, if you give me peace)

    so Winnie feels Nelson could’ve done more, maybe he could of, but at what price?, how many more lives, how much more Blood shed, who knows if they even would have come off better, just because Winnie felt her Husband could’ve done more doesn’t mean that is the case, their are plenty women who think there husbands could do more, and plenty men who think there wives could do less (talking lol)

    there u go, I’m off the fence! MUahhhhhahahahahahah 🙂

  13. Side eye for that fr, winnie did her part, obviously respects Mandela , he was OUT of action for a while, winnie stayed IN action, she’s acknowledging what could have and rightfully so. Yo chris Browned for that last sentence.lol

  14. don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean to disrespect Winnie and the contributions she made and the commitment she showed, nah I couldn’t do that, all I’m saying is, I think she could be a bit more understanding, 27 years, smh at the idea of doing 27 years behind bars damn!

  15. @ lati …what sentence got me Chris browned lol the bit about the wives talking and husbands doing?… Just calling it how I see it! lol

    (after this post it’s back to the fence LOOOOL)

  16. It is a sad situation and personal aswell for Winnie. They all played their roles in the struggle, i don’t believe they would ever have got a good deal. Apartheid had been fueled with the help of outside forces (De klerk think alikes).

  17. I’m gonna sit on the fence with you on this one fr. I have to much respect for both of them .

    Winnie makes some excellent points, but it’s hard for me to judge
    Mandela. WHO THE HELL AM I !!!

  18. its refreshing to hear Winnie Mandela side of things. I just never understood why she had been made some form of scape goat.

    ps.Why is Nelson not making time for his daughters who have been scarred by politics and do not wish to partake in it.

    South Africa has a long way to go. How about a name change. I hear Azania is quite popular, but surely there is a better name for the people who have struggled and still do

  19. Nothing can repair the damage done by Apartheid, there’s still a struggle going on, usually the majority control the minority but not in this case, Winnie seems to have to fire to keep the torch burning and by all means she should do so, but I don’t believe Mandela acted wrong only he know what he endure in prison and perhaps felt it was time to let go. I have learned that two people can look and the same thing and see something completely different. Unfortunately sometimes people don’t pay the way we thought they should for the damage they have caused, only God knows why certain thing happen and He would be the ultimate judge.

  20. Sometimes we have judge what the leaders we romanticize about so often. What has Mandela done for South Africa . it should have been more then just getting out of jail. It was the liberation of every person.
    Yes, it has been 27 years, but how you can forget what they did to you? We still fighting today, the fight never ends. Once we stopped fighting we made way for ignorant whites to question why is a black man asking me for a ticket?
    I agree with winnie. For now i’m not to fast to jump on the bandwagon. I need to do my research thoroughly.

  21. @ fr…
    wow you actually did it bro! Lol
    Out of most of the threads to get off the fence this was a hard one!

    @agnes kuye
    I think who we empaphise with most is better to use than the word judge. If mandela spoke his mind on the matter maybe I’d empaphise with him more if i could relate to what he was saying and also join you guys on the fence.

  22. @ The Real NV there isn’t such a word as ’empaphise’…. 🙂

    I will stick with ‘judge’ thank you, in particular making reference to some of the above comments,… who have decided to ‘JUDGE’ Nelson Mandela without any concrete FACTS.

    I don’t particularly disagree with all the comments, but i find this a tough
    one, having not walked in the mans shoes. I ditto B.Princess’s comments.

  23. showing empathy. Sorry bout the spelling but im sure you know what i meant anyhow.
    I relate to her view points, logic and Feel what she’s saying, thats not judgement, i dont put mandela in a box, the good, bad and the ugly, you cant knock a man for trying, I just feel what winnie is saying. Taking into concideration she knew a lot more about the situation and his feelings than anyone else as she was his wife and must have got some vo’s during the course of the 27 years I think she’s probly got the most knowledgable account of the whole situation and experience and stood at a higher view point.

  24. There was never a short cut 2 the journey apartheid had cut out 4 them. They are going to have to walk it and play catch up even when these two are gone. I don’t believe Winnie is knocking Mandela, she has 2 wake pple up 2 reality by saying the reality. She doesn’t sound malicious 2wards Mandela. Dissapointed, yes.

  25. “You know, sometimes I think we had not thought it all out. There was no planning from our side. How could we? We were badly educated and the leadership does not acknowledge that. Maybe we have to go back to the drawing board and see where it all went wrong.”

    That statement almost sums up where they are or were at the time of the struggle. It is not going to change over night, Mandela was not going to change it over night. Those who carried out apertheid were not about to start playing fair after all the work they had put in to make sure they had the upper hand. Even the mere fact that they had to have any negotiations, just shows they were never going to win. As far as i see, she is just waking them up, unfortunately Mandela got caught in the cross fire.

  26. Thank you my sister for the e-mail.
    I agree with WINNIE.



  27. Interesting conversation, i couldn’t resist but get my feet wet as well. My brothers and sisters on the fence…a wise man once said…blessed is the man who sits on fence in a war for he shall be shot on both sides.

    I respect the objectively minded who respect both the Hero and the Heroine for the price they paid for their beloved country and beliefs. They are both right, just different in their approach. Nelson’s approach was practical and [is] visionary. Practical in the sense that continued blood shed would not have brought about the opportunities for the country to move foward. And visionary in that he did put a down payment for the next generation. Can anyone tell me that they were not proud when S.A hosted world Cup (olympics in a near future)… just an example of something that wouldn’t have happened without the foundation for country to prosper and achieve “social rest” by Mandela. It could be the 27yrs of isolation that gave him profound wisdom.

    Winnie has a point and a point that is urgent! The plain field is far from level. The vast majority of black people are yet to get a fair share of their country’s pie. I hope she can preach Education! Education! …almost a cliche but so true that knowledge is power.

    A reminder: This is a divorced couple…need i say more (Should Winnie say oh, Nelson is a righteous man and vice versa..)

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